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  • We don't seem to have another thread on this, so I'll start one.

    The links to the Mafia II songs are dead again, I don't think they're worth fixing them every time this happens, so unless anyone has an issue with it, I'm just going to remove them.

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    • I actually mentioned this on the general page thread at the beginning of the year, but it seems to have been overlooked. I remember looking around a bit but couldn't find any replacements, so I don't see a problem with removing them.

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    • I might have forgotten about that, or maybe never saw it, either way, I'll just remove them.

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    • I’ve been slowing uploading them onto clyp.it which is an independent site.

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    • I went through the Mafia DE soundtrack listed on the Mafia Game site and started a layout on my sandbox 11. There were a few minor corrections to what they had listed, mostly capitalization and punctuation, but others may need further discussion.

      • We currently have It Don't Mean a Thing by Duke Ellington. According to Wikipedia and most search results elsewhere the correct title seems to be the full "It Don't Mean A Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)". We should consider changing our page name.
      • You Rascal You is listed as "(I'll be Glad When You're Dead) You Rascal You", but Wikipedia uses just You Rascal You. Other search results are mixed, but most seem to favor the longer title. Need to decide on what to use.
      • Jeanette MacDonald and The Rounders - There was never any official group with this title, Jeanette MacDonald was a singer/actress who sang the song in the film "Monte Carlo". The Rounders were apparently a studio group who did back-up vocals on the song. I suggest we just use Jeanette MacDonald as the performer and page name.
      • Many of the listing use "XXXX and His Orchestra". Wikipedia tends to just list these under the persons name, other search results are mixed. We currently have a few listed here as well, like Ike Carpenter Orchestra, Reg Owen Orchestra, and Frankie Trumbauer & His Orchestra, while others we list as just the person, like Cab Calloway.
        • Should we go with what Wikipedia uses, or the full "and His Orchestra" names?
        • Along these lines, Guy Lombardo seems to be listed more as Guy Lombardo and His Royal Canadians, again, Wikipedia lists it as just the name, but mention The Royal Canadians on the page, and The Royal Canadians redirects there.
        • Also to consider, should we use "and" or "&". Again, search results and even Wikipedia are mixed, both are used quite evenly. When image searching both album covers and actual disks, they seem to favor "and", though & is used as well. If we decide to list "orchestra' in the names, I suggest we chose one or the other and rename our current pages accordingly.

      I think just the names and dropping any reference to and His Orchestra, unless Wikipedia lists them as such as their page name. We should try and decide on these quickly before people start coming here creating pages.

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    • I think the full name for It Don't Mean a Thing should be fine; it might be a bit long but I don't think that'll be a problem. For You Rascal You, Wikipedia says its "legal title" is "I'll Be Glad When You're Dead". Not sure if we should use the longer title on this one, but out of the ones I looked at in a Google search, more sources seem to use the shorter title. Also, I think Jeanette MacDonald is better.

      It looks like the official soundtrack listing uses Cab Calloway on some, and his orchestra on others. Not sure if there's a reason for this but it's probably best to just pick one for all of them. I think using "his orchestra" is okay in most cases if it's accurate, but for Cab Calloway it might be better to stick with what we have. It looks like Wikipedia has decided to have a single article for the musician that covers his orchestra as well.

      I'm thinking it's better to use the word "and" unless there's a clear consensus elsewhere to use the ampersand.

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    • Ok so to be clear.

      • Use the full title of "It Don't Mean A Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)"
      • Keep You Rascal You as is.
      • Use all the "and His orchestra" names as listed except Cab Callaway. So I guess we should go with Guy Lombardo and not add "His Royal Canadians" then.
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    • That's correct. Also, Guy Lombardo sounds good.

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    • So now that I'm doing these page I've come across one issue with the "and his orchestra" pages. There's virtually no information on the orchestra members. I imagine they likely changed often. I think this is why Wikipedia and other sites just list them as the individual, it's going to look weird to have a page for a group when we don't have any info on the other members. We could rename them, or just write the page for the individual, but that will look odd with things like dates of birth/death, and the bio being about just one person.

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    • I hadn't really thought about that detail before. It looks like the Ike Carpenter Orchestra is the only one we've written for the orchestra, the other ones are about pretty much just the individual. My initial thinking was not to change them because I didn't see any reason to prefer the individual over the group, but if you have a good reason to rename them then I'm not opposed to it.

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    • I think we will just rename them to just the performer, or band leaders name. While I was doing the song pages I noticed many of these names would go by "and His Orchestra", even ones we don't have listed as such, like Duke Ellington and Harry James. I think is was probably just a popular thing back then. As for why they listed some and not others on the official list, I imagine it's a licensing thing.

      I added the unconfirmed tag to the soundtrack page. We will need to try and verify all the song pages once the game is released and we know what version is in the game. It's really difficult to find information on a lot of those old songs, on top of the fact that artists back then tended to rerecord their songs multiple times. Even Wikipedia wasn't much help with many of them.

      There's also a lot more that are instrumental than what is listed on Mafia Games page. In some cases, I found references to lyrics, but I was unable to find a version that had any. On that note, we may want to disambiguate Tiger Rag, I don't think they're the same song, if they are they're considerably different from one another. Plus. the Mills Bro's version has lyrics, while the Django Reinhardt does not.

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    • ReapTheChaos wrote: There's also a lot more that are instrumental than what is listed on Mafia Games page. In some cases, I found references to lyrics, but I was unable to find a version that had any. On that note, we may want to disambiguate Tiger Rag, I don't think they're the same song, if they are they're considerably different from one another. Plus. the Mills Bro's version has lyrics, while the Django Reinhardt does not.

      Well according to Wikipedia, there's over a hundred versions of Tiger Rag so it seems likely the Django Reinhardt is a different version of the same song. Also, we may want to consider removing the lyrics from the page for the Mills Brothers version as they're not actually in the game. The original game only has about a 40 second snippet from the middle of the song which only includes scat vocals.

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    • I'll be going through the various song pages from the games and making some minor changes. I'll be adding a link to the soundtrack page to the word song in the opening like we do for other pages, and removing the link in the See Also section.

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    • Are you planning to keep the link in See Also for songs in multiple games?

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    • Yeah, the ones in multiple games I added the links to both soundtrack pages there.

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