<p>Use this thread to report bugs in Mafia: Definitive Edition. When reporting bugs, it's helpful to post a screenshot if possible and state which platform you're playing on. </p>

I thought I'd make a thread for general discussion of Mafia: Definitive Edition to replace the one we've been using for Mafia: Trilogy.

<p>I noticed quite a lot of signs for businesses in Mafia DE that were reused from Mafia III and even a few from Mafia II. The Mafia II ones seemed mostly inconsequential, places like Locksmith Hardware and Service that we don't have pages for. </p><p>But many of the Mafia III ones we have pages for, like Silvio Collateral Pawn & Loan, Boicherot's, Joey's All American Diner, and several more. I'm not sure how we should handle these, as I doubt any of them will serve any purpose in Mafia DE. </p><p>I don't think we really need to be making separate sections on the page for them, listing all their locations and so forth. We could just go with a trivia entry along the lines of "Silvio Collateral Pawn & Loan also appears in Mafia DE, though none of the locations are enterable or play a role in any the game's missions." and leave it at that. I'm not sure if we should even list it in the Appearance section of the infobox, though we could. </p><p>Any ideas on this? </p>

<p>From what I've seen, most collectibles show on your mini map like they did in Mafia III, but I haven't noticed them being marked on the main map. I'm also unsure about in the classic difficulty, from what I've seen and heard, when playing on that difficulty there are less items appearing on the mini map. I'm not sure if that's just enemy and health or if it includes notes and collectibles. </p><p>The foxes, from what I understand, don't even show on your mini map, you have to keep an eye out for the graffiti nearby. </p><p>If this is the case, we should put an emphasis on the collectible pages walkthroughs and try to get them up as soon as possible, even if they're just locations and no images at first. </p><p>I noticed something else while looking for information on collectibles, when doing a Google search for collectibles in Mafia III or DE, only the collectibles category page comes up. Now it's good we come up at all, but that is not the best page a user could start from. </p><p>Now for Mafia II we're the featured article, but only for the playboy mags. Searching specifically for wanted posters in Mafia II, again we're the top (featured) article. </p><p>Anyway, I think we might get better search results if we create pages specifically named "Collectibles in (game name)" instead of having them listed on the "Additional Content in" pages. This might even help people when searching here. I know the reasoning behind the "Additional Content" name was to have one pages where we list everything, but in hindsight it isn't a very user friendly name. </p><p>Collectibles are one of the top items gamers search for on the internet, and I'd really like them coming here for that. This is also one area where, at least in my opinion, a written guide is better than a video. I would rather look at a well organized list of locations to find them than watch someone running around the game map picking them up at random. </p>

<p>Well we gleaned a lot of info from the gameplay videos uploaded yesterday. We need to keep in mind that the game they were playing was an unfinished version, and actually from a few months ago if we are to believe one I watched. Much of the information contained in it may have changed or will change in the final game. </p><p>Looking at the IMDB page just now, I noticed the last names of characters that were added there yesterday have been removed. Most likely by the Hangar 13 casting director who has been overseeing that page. I have no reason to doubt the names are legitimate, but we need to make sure all these new pages have the unconfirmed template on them. </p><p>I guess we could go ahead and make the weapons pages for the ones we know of. On one hand I'm a little hesitant to do so, the names seem oddly generic and may just be placeholders until they come up with permanent ones. On the other hand maybe they just wanted to keep them simple, it's hard to say. It also seems a little odd that the weapons names aren't listed when you access the weapons wheel, I'm guess that's one of those areas that hasn't been finished yet. If we don't make the pages now someone else is likely to do it anyway, so we may as well, and if they change we can rename them. </p><p>Looks like we might have enough info to start a gameplay mechanics page and at least add some of the basics. There's also no reason not to make the location pages for what we saw in the videos, we might not be able to get any images until the game is released though. </p><p>If anyone knows of anything else, bring it up here. </p>

<p>Seeing as trivia makes up a good share of edits on our pages I thought we should have a thread for them. </p><p>I'll start things off with vehicles. They seem to get the bulk of trivia entries and if we don't keep an eye on them they can get pretty long. One of the changes I made to the Mafia II vehicle pages was to add an appearances section. This was done to eliminate the trivia entries for things like "Mr X drives a blue one in chapter 12." I only listed the chapter names under appearances because if we give specifics on each appearance then we're just shifting the mess from one section to another. I also removed entries for the DLC cars that read "The only known owners of this car are Vito, Joe and Jimmy". Statements like that are of no value as they're just stating an obvious fact. </p><p>As for weapons, they're another one to keep an eye on. Listing what weapon a character uses in their trivia section is fine, so long as it's just one. We don't need to list secondary weapons unless it's something like Derek when he switches from Molotovs to the Tommy gun when you get closer to him. I'm not sure how to deal with characters who appear in more than one mission. Someone like Joe who uses multiple weapons over the course of the game would make for a lot of entries. </p><p>Other characters like Vito and Burke in Mafia III, I'm also unsure of. They both use different weapons in their respective missions. There's also Paulie and Sam from Mafia, Henry Tomasino and Steve Coyne from Mafia II, and maybe a few others I'm not thinking of. We could have a policy on allowing multiple listings for major character, but we should establish a guideline on how they're listed. Maybe a separate weapons section or list them all under one trivia entry. </p><p>Weapons and vehicles also get their fair share of technical trivia entries. While I am familiar with guns, I'm far from an enthusiast, so I don't always know what to make of those. One recent example from Roman Barbieri's page states that his gun is "clearly seen set on safe". I have no idea if that's true or not. And as the game weapons are only based on real world ones, I'm not sure if it even applies. Maybe in the Mafia universe the safety switch is different. </p><p>I know I removed a couple of trivia entries on vehicles where they drew conclusions based on the real world counterpart as I didn't think they necessarily applied in the game universe. One example claimed that the Smith Truck was the oldest vehicle in the game because its real world counterpart was the oldest. Maybe we should have a similar policy on weapons as well. </p>

<p>I know we briefly discussed disambiguation pages and piping links in the other thread, but I thought a more thorough discussion of setting standard naming practiced would be beneficial. </p><p>Page names: </p>

• As discussed earlier, page name disambiguation should use the shorter Mafia: DE, such as Lost Heaven (Mafia: DE).
• Page names that don't need disambiguation, but cover lists of items like characters or vehicles should use the full name, such as "Vehicles in Mafia: Definitive Edition".
• Pages unique to DE should just be named normally, like "Black Cat Tomahawk". I see no need to add anything to those as the opening sentence covers that.
• And again, piping page links where we need them shorter should use "Mafia: DE" as well.

<p>Categories: </p>

• I think page categories should use the full name, such as "Characters in Mafia: Definitive Edition".
• Images shouldn't need to be so formal, and I was thinking we just shorten it, such as "Images-Characters in Mafia DE". I don't see the need to use the colon either.

<p>Images: </p>

• Image disambiguation should be less formal too, and Mafia DE should be fine, again with no colon, such as "Tommy Angelo (Mafia DE)" and any numbers should come after the disambiguation, as in "Tommy Angelo (Mafia DE) 02".
• I noticed all the images on the Mafia: Definitive Edition page are all prefixed with "Mafia DE" such as "Mafia DE Car". That was fine to get the page up and running, but we should start using our standard naming practices from now on, assuming we know the name of the item pictured. With Mafia III, we went with "Mafia III Prerelease 01" or "Tommy Marcano Prerelease" for pre-release images. Something like that or maybe "promotional" might be better, so down the road we know what the image represents when they don't look quite the same as what's in-game.

<p>As for dropping the colon on images and image categories, we can use them for the sake of having everything uniform too, I have no real preference on that, so long as they're both the same. </p>

<p>I've been thinking about making a Discord server for the Mafia Wiki. It's pretty easy to get one started, and there's all sorts of ways it can be customized to our liking. </p><p>One of the main ways to organize a Discord server is making channels for various topics and purposes. For example, we can have a #general-chat or #general-discussion channel for everyone, and a #staff-chat channel for private discussions among the wiki staff. I imagine these would be used similarly to how we currently use Special:Chat. They have the advantage that messages never disappear, and people don't have to be online at the same time to use them. We could also make a channel for each game, and perhaps one for general help or Q&A. </p><p>Once the server is ready to invite people, I'd recommend setting up a Discord widget through DiscordIntegrator so anyone visiting the wiki can join if they wish. </p><p>Another thing that can be done is assigning roles. We'd want to have one for Mafia Wiki staff to enable private discussions. There could also be one for wiki editors and a channel to go with it; it might be a good idea to have a verification system for such a role. </p><p>Feel free to reply with any questions, ideas, or suggestions about making a Discord server. </p>

Use this thread to discuss general gameplay mechanics and features in the game.

<p>Should we use the Boss title with Walter Beaumont, as in adding him to the Boss page, category, and using Boss in his infobox instead of Sheriff? </p><p>I hesitate to add this distinctions in his case because we have other law enforcement types, like Earl Wilson, who don't belong in that category. According to our page, a boss is "the leader of any criminal organization". While certainly corrupt, I'm not sure the Sheriff's department would fall into that definition. </p>

<p>In regard to the upcoming Mafia: Definitive Edition remake, we need to decide how to handle the existing pages here. At this point we have very little to go on other than what they posted on their site: </p><p><i>"Mafia: Definitive Edition, is a complete overhaul of the original game that was released to widespread critical acclaim in 2002, and improves on the beloved classic in every way imaginable. Rebuilt from the ground up by Hangar 13, it’s a faithful but expanded 4K- and HDR-ready remake that not only makes dramatic improvements to the original’s visuals and gameplay, but also builds upon its award-winning narrative and adds new features like motorcycles and collectibles to the 1930s city of Lost Heaven."</i> </p><p>We also have the teaser trailer which you can view here. </p><p>How much is changing is unknown. This isn't just a remaster like they did for Mafia II, with a new game engine and a few new cars and stuff, it's a total remake of the game. Terms like "faithful but expanded" and "builds upon its award-winning narrative" seem to suggest that they will be adding to the story to some degree. </p><p>Depending on how the mechanics and game play change, the mission pages may require all new walkthroughs. Weapons and vehicles may have all new skins, stats, availability, controlls, etc. Characters will likely look completely different, possibly different voice actors. (I don't know who's talking in that trailer above, but it's definitely not Tommy's original voice actor), and back stories may be expanded upon. Gameplay mechanics will likely be completely different, things like driving, switching/using weapons, walking/running, etc. could completely change. </p><p>We could just use separate headers for Mafia and Mafia DE on each page, but what that may end up looking like is hard to say. I only had to do it on a handful of Mafia II pages, and it wasn't a lot of information to add. Another approach might be to create all new pages for the game, leaving the original pages as they are for posterity sake. I've already seen quite a few people on the Steam forums upset about this remake. As of right now anyway, the original game is still for sale on gaming sites like steam and GOG. </p><p>We could simply wait and see, but the longer we wait the harder it will be to clean up whatever mess this leaves behind. We may also want to protect all Mafia pages until we decide, and if we do go with all new ones, we should probably keep them locked for a while to prevent confusion. </p>

<p>This is what 2K's official site reads about the bonus content: </p><p>Pre-ordering either Mafia: Definitive Edition or the Mafia: Trilogy will entitle you to the Chicago Outfit bonus pack, which includes the Smith V12 limousine, Gold Semi-Automatic Pistol weapon skin, and The Don outfit for use in Mafia: Definitive Edition when it releases on August 28, 2020. As a Mafia: Trilogy owner, you’ll also gain access to loyalty bonus packs that add the following protagonist outfits and vehicles from each Definitive Edition game in the Mafia: Trilogy to the other two games: </p>

• Mafia: Definitive Edition - Tommy Angelo’s suit and cab
• Mafia II: Definitive Edition - Vito Scaletta’s leather jacket and sports car
• Mafia III: Definitive Edition - Lincoln Clay’s army jacket and muscle car

<p>Furthermore, if you sign up for a 2K Account and link it to the platforms where you own Mafia: Trilogy games you can unlock these bonus items for each game: </p>

• Mafia: Definitive Edition - Black Cats Motorcycle Pack
• Mafia II: Definitive Edition - Made Man Pack
• Mafia III: Definitive Edition - Classico three-piece suit & IL Duca revolver

<p>We don't seem to have another thread on this, so I'll start one. </p><p>The links to the Mafia II songs are dead again, I don't think they're worth fixing them every time this happens, so unless anyone has an issue with it, I'm just going to remove them. </p>

<p>On the question of what locations we should list on the weapons pages my thoughts are this. </p><p>First of all, the section is titled "Notable Items", yet we've basically been listing everything there. In my opinion there's nothing notable about the Barker 390, Trench 1938, Alfredsson M419 or other popular weapons. These things can be found everywhere. I suggest we establish a price point, say $10,000 - $20,000 and list weapons at that or above. Now for explosives, I think we should list them all, they tend to be kind of rare, especially early in the game. </p><p>Second, I think the point of listing weapons is so players can know where they can access them without paying the Arms Dealer prices, I know that's how I use them. So I think it would be good to know if a weapon can be accessed at any time or just in a certain mission. We currently have the statement below the heading about some items may only be available in certain missions, which is fine, but for weapons that are available throughout the game we should find a way to note that. </p>

<p>I got new images of Sammy and Father Jame, I think they're about as good as I'm going to get. As always, getting a decent character image is near impossible they way they do their cutscene framing and lighting. I have a bunch more saved, but if there are no objections I'll delete those and call them good. </p>

<p>I've noticed some discrepancies with the achievements in their descriptions. It seems Xbox uses slightly different ones from both Steam and Playstation. I haven't checked all the main game ones, but we seem to have gone with the Steam/Playstation descriptions on the few I did, it's the last two DLCs where they're off. </p><p>Examples: </p>

• Another Brother Falls
  • Xbox - Complete "Another Brother Falls".
  • Steam/Playstation - You survived the drive into Sinclair Parish.
• Creature of Habit
  • Xbox - Complete "Creature of Habit".
  • Steam/Playstation - You investigated the scene.

<p>Seeing as we went with the Steam/Playstation descriptions on the main game, I think we should follow suit with the DLCs. </p>